xenon headlights

[Manaz]

i'll check this out tomorrow as well. luck i haven't bougt the one on uk yet.

Be careful shopping on price, or going for something too blue unless you don't value blue look over nighttime vision.

The Philips X-Treme Power H4s I got from powerbulbs are excellent, and considering I got them, Philips H3s AND the free W5Ws all shipped to Sydney cheaper than could get the H4s locally from even Supercheap Auto or eBay stores, they're hard to beat...

[Yevvy]

You mean HIDs. Different kettle of fish. Xenon is just a gas which can be present in both filament style bulbs and HID style bulbs - using it to differentiate between the two is confusing.

To install HIDs, you must install a self-levelling system (the Bora V6 4Motion comes with half of it (the motors for adjusting the aim, but you need the sensors as well). And please do not put HID bulbs into standard reflector headlights, it's dangerous because HID light output and filament-bulb light output are very different.

yep, thats what i meant. thanks manaz

[IanJ]

Do you not also need headlight washers for Xenons in Aus? In europe you need to have them.

[revhead1016]

Be careful shopping on price, or going for something too blue unless you don't value blue look over nighttime vision.

The Philips X-Treme Power H4s I got from powerbulbs are excellent, and considering I got them, Philips H3s AND the free W5Ws all shipped to Sydney cheaper than could get the H4s locally from even Supercheap Auto or eBay stores, they're hard to beat...

i think i will buy this one it's a good deal and it has a good review and rating from people. thanks mate.

[brad]

Do you not also need headlight washers for Xenons in Aus? In europe you need to have them.

You need washers & self levellers for Xenon HIDs.

[Manaz]

You need washers & self levellers for Xenon HIDs.

I thought this too, but having read the ADRs surrounding headlamps and gas discharge headlamps (HIDs) a few times, didn't find any references to washers actually being a requirements. Here are a few ADR PDFs relating to headlamps (the first two are general headlamp ADRs, the third is specific to gas discharge headlamps (HIDs) and the fourth to HID light sources:

http://tinyurl.com/adrheadlampvol1

http://tinyurl.com/adrheadlampvol2

http://tinyurl.com/adrhid

http://tinyurl.com/adrhidlightsoruce

The following one related to headlamp cleaners:

http://tinyurl.com/adrheadlampcleaner

The headlamp ADR documents mention cleaners and levelling devices, but only in relation to halogen filament bulbs. There's no mention of levelling devices or cleaners in the ADR for HID headlamps, and there's nothing about HIDs in the headlamp cleaner ADR.

Maybe I've missed the ADR that is relevant though. The following page lists all the ADRs relating to vehicles, if someone can pinpoint (once and for all) the ADR that requires (or does not require) cleaners, that'd be good!

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roa...dr_online.aspx

[Swallowtail]

Here we go again....

"Australian Design Rule 13/00 – Installation of Lighting and Light Signalling Devices on other than L-Group Vehicles

6.2.9. Other requirements

The requirements of paragraph 5.5.2. shall not apply to dipped-beam headlamps. Dipped-beam headlamps shall not swivel according to the angle of lock of steering. Dipped-beam headlamps with gas-discharge light sources shall only be permitted in conjunction with the installation of headlamp cleaning device(s) according to Regulation No. 45. In addition, with respect to vertical inclination, the provision of paragraph 6.2.6.2.2. shall not be applied when these headlamps are installed.

6.2.6.2.2. However, devices which are adjusted manually, either continuously or non- continuously, shall be permitted, provided they have a stop positon at which the lamps can be returned to the initial inclination defined in paragraph 6.2.6.1.1. by means of the usual adjusting screws or similar means.
These manually adjustable devices must be operable from the driver's seat.
Continually adjustable devices must have reference makes indicating the loading conditions that require adjustment of the dipped-beam.
The number of positions on devices which are not continuously adjustable must be such as to ensure compliance with the range of values prescribed in paragraph 6.2.6.1.2. in all the loading conditions defined in Annex 5.
For these devices also, the loading conditions of Annex 5 that require adjustment of the dipped-beam shall be clearly marked near the control of the device (see Annex (IMG:style_emoticons/default/dirol.gif) .

So according to 6.2.9, the part of clause 6.2.6.2.2 that states manual adjustment is permitted, is NOT permitted in the case of HID fitment, ie, manual adjustment isn't allowed. So that means you need to comply with the previous clause, which is shown below:


QUOTE
6.2.6.2.1. In the case where a headlamp levelling device is necessary to satisfy the requirements of paragraphs 6.2.6.1.1. and 6.2.6.1.2., the device shall be automatic.

Therefore, automatic self levelling is required. (the two paragraphs mentioned refer to the actual specifications for beam angle etc)."


All taken from the first Google result searching for ADR HID headlights.

[brad]

I thought this too,
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I won't argue. I won't even say it's a grey area (guaranteed to stir the pot). If you can find a loophole then well done.

HIDS appear to come only slightly behind chips when it comes to getting peoples blood boiling.

I figure that if, whenever the OEM HIDs are fitted & they come with auto-level & washers, there must be something to it or they wouldn't do it. Even the manufacturers seem happy to push the ADR boundaries if they think they can get away with it (privacy glass) but they don't with HIDS.

I'm not against HIDs, though I do think anything over 7000k is a wank & HIDs in reflector housings are like rooting a sheep - it's kind-of good but just isn't right.

[Manaz]

Here we go again....

"Australian Design Rule 13/00 – Installation of Lighting and Light Signalling Devices on other than L-Group Vehicles

Ah, bingo. I misread the title of that document as being FOR L-Group vehicles, and didn't read it. I knew self-levelling was required.

Thank you!

rooting a sheep - it's kind-of good but just isn't right.

I didn't realise you were from across the pond!

[Swallowtail]

Ah, bingo. I misread the title of that document as being FOR L-Group vehicles, and didn't read it. I knew self-levelling was required.

Thank you!

No probs... I have looked into this sooooo many times and posted the same information sooooo many times on sooo many forums LOL.

If people want to put HIDs in their cars that's their choice, but when people start trying to argue that it's not against ADRs to not have levellers and washers it gets me going LOL...

The ADRs are very clear - HIDs without levellers and washers are not permitted. So your car CAN be defected if you put in aftermarket HIDs without those extras.